With about 10 years of a continuous boozeless life, Derek is another fantastic example of rising from the hell that we found ourselves in thanks to our unhealthy relationship with alcohol. Derek and I discuss our experiences both before and after alcohol, but what I specifically love about this episode is that we give our listeners, hopefully, a small glimpse into the scary world of 12-step recovery programs. Sure it's scary and intimidating at first, but in all reality these rooms save the lives of those willing to walk through the doors. If you are questioning a better way to live...then I highly encourage you to hear Derek's message AND find the next local meeting, have a seat & listen.